blackcat333_99 ([info]blackcat333_99) wrote,
@ 2009-05-09 11:44:00
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And a few more thoughts on SPN’s 4.21

Cooperation is the thorough conviction that
nobody can get there unless everybody gets there.
-- Virginia Burden, The Process of Intuition



Something struck me on rewatch – let’s call it The Change Game. Comparing and contrasting with prior Dean and Sam. Not with each other – but with themselves. What values did they hold to before? What’s changed on that front?

Start with Dean.

I would die for him in a second. But I won’t let him do this to himself. I can’t. I guess I found my line.

Look back at Devil’s Trap for a reference point to see what’s changed for Dean.

For you or Dad, the things I’m willin’ to do or kill, it just….it scares me sometimes.

Dean found his limit, what he’s willing to do for and accept with his family. Line drawn. That’s change, and it’s change for the better. Not having limits was not healthy or good – not for Dean or his family.

Now Sam.

You don’t know me. You never did. And you never will.
You walk out that door, don’t you ever come back.


Again staying with Devil’s Trap as our reference point:

I’m surprised at you, Sammy. Why didn’t you kill it? I thought we saw eye to eye on this—killin’ this demon comes first. Before me, before everything.
No, sir. Not before everything.


Once upon a time, Sam put his family’s well-being first. Not giving up revenge/justice against Yellow Eyes, just not putting pursuit of that goal as #1. And now? Sam puts his pursuit of revenge of Lilith as #1. He walked out that door, turned his back on his family. I didn’t see Dean’s words of “you walk out that door don’t you ever come back” as the mirror of what John said back in the big Stanford blowout. Apples and oranges, really. Dean was asking Sam to be the Sam from Devil’s Trap. He didn’t ask Sam to completely give up on going after Lilith – earlier in their fight he told Sam that he was willing to go with him after her, just not with Ruby. Not with Sam doing it in a way that destroys himself in the process.

It would seem that Sam has regressed on this front, continuing the theme of Sam-as-John. His agenda comes before everything. John had also dressed his campaign of going after YED as being about protecting his sons, not just getting revenge. Sam claims that it’s not just about revenge with Lilith, it’s about saving the world.

Sometimes change is a good thing. We’re supposed to grow and learn and become more than we were before.

But sometimes we learn the wrong lessons, and change for the worse not for the better.

There are several areas of change that may need to be addressed for both Sam and Dean. Definitions of "monster", value of priorities, what constitutes a good partnership, etc.

The level of cooperation, that once shared view of “we’re stronger as a family” has changed. But if no one gets there unless everyone gets there… it looks like change is going to have to happen again, for one or both of the Boys.




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[info]shorofsky
2009-05-09 07:55 pm UTC (link)
Kindda reminds me of the Pilot when Sam said to Dean that he could do it on his own and Dean replied: Yes, but I don't want to.

Now he's being forced to do it on his own because Sam did walk out and didn't just go along for the ride like he did in the Pilot. Wow. It's really sad that they've grown so far apart...

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[info]blackcat333_99
2009-05-10 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Makes me think that the shoe may end up being on the other foot by the time the crap finishes hitting the fan -- completing the role reversal from early days when Dean was all about hunting and Sam was more independent/less needing his family.

They'll work things out eventually. They have to, right? *crosses fingers*

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[info]erinrua
2009-05-10 04:23 am UTC (link)
I like your brain. Mine is still in shock. ;-)

Good thoughts, thank you for sharing. I think you've hit several nails right on the head.

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[info]blackcat333_99
2009-05-10 07:06 pm UTC (link)
*points at icon*

Next week's gonna be a killer, isn't it?

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[info]erinrua
2009-05-10 11:47 pm UTC (link)
*snork*

Your icon is dead on.

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[info]mrscutedean
2009-05-10 09:58 am UTC (link)
This is interesting thankuou however the real meta for me in 421 became control and the very idea of it. Dean attempted to lock Sam away to control his decisions to control his choices and Sam wanted to control his own destiny in walking out. It was all about control for me, I think both boys have changed for the worst for them but for humanity its probably a good thing as thye always put one another before the world. I think Dean deciding he'd rather Sam die than be something he doesn't consider what Sam should be was very bad change, and very telling on how far he's fallen and Sam walking out the door also proved he is putting everything else before his relationship with his brother now. Oh boys, you're both so wrong its ridiculous.

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[info]blackcat333_99
2009-05-10 07:15 pm UTC (link)
I see where you're coming from, but for me that is not factoring in the addiction issues in play with Sam -- addiction being the epitome of LOSS of control even while the junkie tells themself they CAN control it, they have it under control and it's just the other people who don't understand/don't get it, etc. I don't see this situation being about Dean trying to control Sam in the sense you do, he's trying to get Sam dried out so Sam can be back in control of himself instead of dependent on demon blood to even function at normal tasks. He's trying to keep Sam alive instead of being an enabler in helping Sam self-destruct.

But miles vary, and that's fine. There certainly is more than one issue in play here, so there are definitely a lot of different issues we can focus on. :)

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