Not firmly grounded in reality (![[info]](http://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} halfshellvenus) wrote in blackcat333_99, |
Thanks for pointing me over here-- these were very interesting thoughts.
It’s not about what’s already inside Sam, it’s about what he the person is DOING. Keep asking that question, Sam. Self-doubt is what helps keep a person honest. It’s when you stop asking (stop caring) that you’re really in trouble.
Couldn't agree with you more here, in general. I'm nervous about a Sam who stops asking those questions, because that isn't the Sam I know and love.
Ultimately, I think the answer lands somewhere in the middle. John got it wrong with all three of his boys.
I'm not sure what he did with Adam WAS wrong, honestly. The vast majority of people will never encounter the supernatural threats that the Winchesters are so familiar with, and they will be happier not knowing that those threats exist. Why embrace the darkness when it might never find you? Enjoy your life. Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.
With Sam and Dean, John was simply too rigid, time and time again. The possibility that he could even conceive of being otherwise is a slap in the face to both boys. :( Actually, it reminds me (off-topic) of the situation with my mother's parents. I was talking with my uncle when he was about 70, about how affectionate and warm his parents were with their grandchildren. They hadn't been so with their own children (victims of the 1920s adage against "spoiling" your children and making them weak), and because he was the only one of the kids who didn't have his own children, he hadn't known that. He was so hurt to realize what he'd missed out on, having all those years assumed it was because his parents weren't capable of those feelings. And I was so sorry I'd even mentioned it. :(
I can’t even say the argument is about quantity vs. quality of lifestyles that were given to the boys, because all three boys died before their 30th birthdays. Adam at 18-19(?), Sam at 24, Dean would have died at 26-7, again should have died at 27, and finally did die all the way to hell at age 29. The only difference being that Sam and Dean are still alive because they broke the rules.
SUCH an interesting observation! I hadn't really thought of it that way, but it proves your point so well. Neither method he chose worked, though at least Adam had a happy life up until his untimely death. :(
Have you thought about linking this to the "episode reactions" section of the newsletter? I think other people would find it fascinating. :)
It’s not about what’s already inside Sam, it’s about what he the person is DOING. Keep asking that question, Sam. Self-doubt is what helps keep a person honest. It’s when you stop asking (stop caring) that you’re really in trouble.
Couldn't agree with you more here, in general. I'm nervous about a Sam who stops asking those questions, because that isn't the Sam I know and love.
Ultimately, I think the answer lands somewhere in the middle. John got it wrong with all three of his boys.
I'm not sure what he did with Adam WAS wrong, honestly. The vast majority of people will never encounter the supernatural threats that the Winchesters are so familiar with, and they will be happier not knowing that those threats exist. Why embrace the darkness when it might never find you? Enjoy your life. Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.
With Sam and Dean, John was simply too rigid, time and time again. The possibility that he could even conceive of being otherwise is a slap in the face to both boys. :( Actually, it reminds me (off-topic) of the situation with my mother's parents. I was talking with my uncle when he was about 70, about how affectionate and warm his parents were with their grandchildren. They hadn't been so with their own children (victims of the 1920s adage against "spoiling" your children and making them weak), and because he was the only one of the kids who didn't have his own children, he hadn't known that. He was so hurt to realize what he'd missed out on, having all those years assumed it was because his parents weren't capable of those feelings. And I was so sorry I'd even mentioned it. :(
I can’t even say the argument is about quantity vs. quality of lifestyles that were given to the boys, because all three boys died before their 30th birthdays. Adam at 18-19(?), Sam at 24, Dean would have died at 26-7, again should have died at 27, and finally did die all the way to hell at age 29. The only difference being that Sam and Dean are still alive because they broke the rules.
SUCH an interesting observation! I hadn't really thought of it that way, but it proves your point so well. Neither method he chose worked, though at least Adam had a happy life up until his untimely death. :(
Have you thought about linking this to the "episode reactions" section of the newsletter? I think other people would find it fascinating. :)
